Pleasure and fear seem to be deeply rooted in us – these two principles of pleasure and fear. I don’t think we can understand pleasure without understanding fear. And when we are talking about pleasure we ought to be clear that we are not condemning pleasure. We are not trying to become puritanical or permissive. We are trying to investigate or examine, explore the whole structure and nature of pleasure. And to do that properly and deeply the attitude of condemnation or acceptance of pleasure must be set aside. You see it, naturally. I mean if I want to investigate something I must be free from my inclinations, prejudices.
one has to bear in mind that we are not justifying it, or sustaining it or condemning it but observing it. To really go into the question of pleasure I think one has to look into desire, first. The more commercial and the usage of things, the more desire grows. You can see it’s commercialism, and consumerism. Through propaganda desire is, you know, sustained, is pushed forward, is – what is the word I am looking for – is nourished, expanded.
Now desire is being inflamed, ‘Buy more’. ‘Don’t be satisfied with two trousers but have a dozen trousers’. This feeling of excitement in possession is stimulated through commercialism, consumerism, and propaganda.
That’s what the countries are doing, every year there is a new fashion, or every six months, or every month, I don’t know what it is. Look, there is this stimulation of desire. It is really quite frightening in a sense, how people are using, are stimulating desire to acquire money, possession, the whole circle of a life that is utterly sophisticated, a life in which there is instant fulfilment of one’s desire, and the feeling if you don’t fulfil, if you don’t act, there is frustration. So all that’s involved in it.
So I think both desire and appetite are stimulated by commercialism. And there is the appetite, sexual appetite, the sexual appetite of constantly thinking about it, chewing the cud. All that, both psychological, and physical appetites, normal, abnormal. The feeling of fulfilment and frustration. All that’s involved in appetite. And I’m not sure whether religions, organised religions and beliefs, whether they will not stimulate the peculiar appetite for rituals.
And there is this desire, appetite, we have a little bit gone into it, what is desire? Because I see something and immediately I must have it, a gown, a coat, a tie, the feeling of possession, the urge to acquire, the urge to experience, the urge of an act that will give me tremendous satisfaction. The satisfaction might be the acquisition, acquiring a tie, or a coat, or sleep with a woman, or – acquiring. Now behind that, isn’t there, sir, this desire. I might desire a house and another might desire a car, another might desire to have intellectual knowledge. Another might desire god, or enlightenment. They are all the same. The objects vary, but the desire is the same. One I call the noble; the other I call the ignoble, worldly, stupid. But the desire behind it. So what is desire? How does it come about that this very strong desire is born, is cultured? You follow? What is desire? How does it take place in each one of us?
How does it come about that there is this strong desire for, or against – desire itself. I think it’s clear: perception, visual perception, then there is sensation, then there is contact, and desire comes out of it. That’s the process isn’t it?
So desire. So the religious people, monks, throughout the world said, be without desire. Control desire. Suppress desire. Or if you cannot, transfer it to something that’s worthwhile – God, or enlightenment or truth or this or that. But then that’s just another form of desire, not to desire.
Control desire. Because you need energy to serve God and if you are caught in desire you are caught in a tribulation, in trouble, which will dissipate your energy. Therefore hold it, control it, suppress it. You have seen this sir, I have seen it so often in Rome, the priests are walking along with the Bible and they daren’t look at anything else, they keep on reading it because they are attracted, it doesn’t matter, to a woman, or a nice house or a nice cloak, so keep looking at it, never expose yourself to tribulation, to temptation. So hold it because you need your energy to serve God. So desire comes about through perceptions, visual perception, contact, sensation, desire. That’s the process of it.
Discipline is a form of suppression and control of desire – religious, sectarian, non-sectarian, it’s all based on that, control. Control your appetite. Control your desires. Control your thought. And this control gradually squeezes out the flow of free energy.
I know it is dreadful what human beings have done to themselves and to others, seeing all that one inevitably asks the question, how to live with desire? You can’t help it, desire is there. The moment I see something – a beautiful flower, the admiration, the love of it, the smell of it, the beauty of the petal, the quality of the flower and so on, the enjoyment – one asks, is it possible to live without any control whatsoever?
And again society, which is immoral, has said, control. One side, the religious side says, control and commercialism says, don’t control, enjoy, buy, sell. You follow? And the human mind, says this is all right. My own instinct is to have pleasure I’ll go after it. But Saturday, or Sunday or Monday or whatever the day it is I’ll give it to God.
And this game goes on, forever it has been going on. So what is pleasure? You follow sir? Why should pleasure be controlled; why should – I’m not saying it’s right or wrong, please let’s be very clear from the beginning that we are not condemning pleasure. We are not saying you must give reign to it, let it run. Or that it must be suppressed, or justified. We are trying to understand why pleasure has become of such extraordinary importance in life. Pleasure of enlightenment. You follow, sir? Pleasure of sex. Pleasure of possession. Pleasure of knowledge. Pleasure of power.
When images comes into thinking and mind re creates the moment that gave us the great sense of satisfaction therefore a desire to repeat the experience take place. Entertainment industry, food industry and so on constantly via advertisement and propaganda delude human beings, self centered activity functions all the time when one is pleasure that implies darkness means one become highly incapable of see if others are getting hurt or not.
Reference : :http://jkrishnamurti.org/krishnamurti-teachings/view-text.php?tid=1107&chid=811&w=Pleasure